19:02:08 So they, they do cost more provider just because they get fewer wires and, and, you know, this is exactly the kind of thing that I would be really interested in getting public feedback on is, you know, is it important for us to provide service, even if
19:02:22 it's very limited in broader geographic area so those roots have to trip in the morning in one direction and two trips, and the other direction in the afternoon.
19:02:36 And but it takes a lot of our resources to provide just those two trips, because that bus has to come from the garage, get ahead we call it would basically drives empty, the beginning of the word.
19:02:50 It says passengers, up to the other end of the route and then drives empty, then heading back to the garage at the other end.
19:02:58 And that's probably because those would operate at the peak time, but they're not doing needed another, another, another routes, outside of the peak.
19:03:14 So it takes a lot of resources to provide those routes for a number of writers.
19:03:18 On the other hand, it just isn't a lot of.
19:03:20 It's not a lot of.
19:03:22 We have so little service that's like that when you compare it to the overall level of service.
19:03:28 The number of hours in the operators.
19:03:30 And then if you added all those Can you read so about 15 of them.
19:03:35 It adds up to probably less than 10% of our resources but maybe you should be looking at how to spend those 10% from other.
19:03:49 I'm gonna go to Greg dropped some thoughts into the chat.
19:03:57 Post pandemic. Greg has read that many businesses will allow employees to work from home at least part time. This will change traffic patterns and in particular for transit the traditional morning commute has the city thought about adjustments to transit
19:04:09 service to accommodate such a change,
19:04:16 huge question and transit
19:04:20 transit thinking about it but you don't have any final thoughts to know what's gonna happen. Oh, I will say that.
19:04:28 I don't think that he rides ridership is as traditional as in some place like New York.
19:04:37 So, those canoeists that that before and I were just talking about our goal oriented towards that traditional commute. This is another question.
19:04:52 Are they useful.
19:04:52 People aren't commuting as much to work at for a high tech jobs, the pandemic may bring that question even more.
19:05:07 Whether that's useful versus running services warmer and people who may be working. Other kinds of ships engine is the study that's going to be done with, would that be part of what they're thinking about is, is trying to even have recommendations about
19:05:17 how you'd study, the changes, going forward, that you see over time.
19:05:24 Yeah, I mean,
19:05:46 shift in how people communicate a wild card that's new, but yes,
19:05:36 I think nobody has the crystal ball to know how that's gonna play out over time.
19:05:42 And I think it made kind of depend on what kinds of jobs, people have the chocolates at all competitive.
19:05:50 I personally think that there will be a migration back to the office where you are seen by your boss.
19:05:57 Rather than being at home and increasingly to be having a cushy work like not maybe there to be happiest time of your life so for a bit more.
19:06:10 Call Center type job maybe even more money from home.
19:06:20 But, again, my opinion but I think that's one of those questions over the next year or two, really see people migrating back the officer.
19:06:33 And I just want to give Lawrence, your land, Mr land use, thinking about economic development, did you want to weigh in about.
19:06:41 Bring your crystal ball into the conversation.
19:06:55 No.
19:06:55 The problem with some of these areas is that the destinations are so thinly spread out.
19:07:01 and the ridership so low.
19:07:04 Man, that's why corridors like central work they've done only produce transit, they produce development.
19:07:12 Statistical numbers that we got out of building permits pre and post art.
19:07:20 Say that development activity long central is probably double
19:07:28 what I love to do that to a bunch of other Carter's because there's only so much demand to go around.
19:07:33 Right.
19:07:41 I'm writing that down.
19:07:43 Okay.
19:07:46 Greg, I see your hand up let's go to you.
19:07:50 Thanks. This is also in the chat, but I wanted to raise it. So, especially because, well, the two reasons are the Air Force Base, is it abuts a large part of this particular CPA.
19:08:07 And the second reason is, there are a lot of people that are, you know, single occupancy commuters single occupancy vehicle commuters that go there.
19:08:19 And it occurs to me that one of the reasons why they are is because once they get onto the base, they might have to go to other parts of the base.
19:08:31 And it's big. And so, so you can't you can't do your job without your car.
19:08:42 Anyway,
19:08:45 I guess, is that an opportunity for partnership. I mean, you're relying on on on the Air Force and all its tenants to like support you on that side of of the boundary.
19:09:05 But,
19:09:03 you know, I think, I think, well, I work at Sandia, and there are plenty of people who you know they drive to work and they, they know that there, they are part of the problem with pollution wise and traffic wise and all these things.
19:09:26 But, You know, there's no obvious solution to that.
19:09:32 So, I guess, maybe that just throwing that out is something to explore.
19:09:40 And I think, you know, one of the things that would do, possibly for the transit system if is, if, if there was some kind of coordination. If there was some kind of system on the base that moved a lot of people around on the base, and people really thought
19:09:56 they could commute through the transit system to San Diego, or to the Air Force Base, and then within their take another transit system and it was fairly seamless.
19:10:08 That's a huge audience.
19:10:12 So, anyway.
19:10:15 Maybe that's for the long range, or the long term planners and not the short or intermediate term ones but that was just something I had thought of. And of course, like I said it relies on on the Department of Defense.
19:10:29 So I don't know how well your connections are with them but anyway, that was just a thought.
19:10:40 It's the basis of challenge for us.
19:10:43 I know we have. It's been quite a while but we we did meet with some folks from the base. I think it might have been more do you place for working on a master plan, like for like for area one area for the Sandia side as opposed to the whole Air Force
19:11:01 Base, right. Yeah, they were, they were grappling with that. That question of how do we move people around.
19:11:10 Once they've gotten to work.
19:11:12 And I guess there's been a proliferation of so called current kid things never worrying about those maybe, maybe that hasn't continued to be an issue but, but it is.
19:11:23 So it's a challenge for us to get people onto the base close to where they want to be.
19:11:28 Especially since.
19:11:30 People are so spread out we need to get a lot of people, a lot of different areas.
19:11:38 And then that same challenge comes up during the day when somebody's got a meeting, that's, you know, what the area, or maybe they want I don't know if that even happens, but, you know, that's a challenge to get people back and forth there.
19:11:52 One of the things with speculators when you're not going very far, you're not willing to wait very long for a bus, which going to make sense and when you think about it, intuitive way like I could walk there in 20 minutes.
19:12:03 I'm not going to wait 20 minutes for a bus. So, you know, some people would put a lot of people find that frustrating.
19:12:11 So, in some ways, those short trips are as challenging and more challenging than taking somebody across the city.
19:12:21 And I know that I thought the.
19:12:24 I think it's the labs, they were, they had a big plan, you know about resilience and sustainability and they were trying to go green and a lot of ways and they were doing some campus planning.
19:12:34 Do you know if you know like a bike share program or anything was brought up for that kind of last mile connectivity that people could just hop up on a bike that they didn't have to bring with them on the bus.
19:12:51 Do you know if that came up at all, when we, when we were talking to them it was kind of pre.
19:12:58 It was preschoolers and fight share the apps that you can release those.
19:13:05 preschoolers and bike share the apps that you can release those. I'm sure that they're talking about it but we haven't been involved in the conversation.
19:13:11 Gotcha.
19:13:11 All right, I appreciate that.
19:13:14 Patty I see your hand and we've also I can. I also see some stuff in the chat that we can go back to after, after we hear from Patty, go for it. Just real.
19:13:26 I rode the bus to Sandia Labs for three years, but it went up Central, and it turned and it went down Wyoming, it stopped at the gate. The guard, got on the bus checked everyone's ID, and it continued on and dropped you off right in front of the tech
19:13:43 area. So, when they changed the route, and I had to take the bus to Central then transferred to another bus down Wyoming.
19:13:52 I had to stop riding the bus because they couldn't get to work at eight o'clock. So it's, it's not like it hasn't been done before.
19:14:03 Yeah.
19:14:03 Yeah. What, one of our challenges here is that everybody's spread out.
19:14:08 Yeah, so we can run a lot of sort of point to point routes to try to get people, all the way from home to work, but each one of those routes will probably be kind of infrequent, because we don't have been happening to take lots of people in one place
19:14:24 and we're taking you to San Diego and or taking somebody else might go away a new bank and.
19:14:30 So, it becomes a challenge to run a system that is efficient and getting people from point to point out, having to make connections, until you have a situation where you've got the same commuters riding the same bus I mean this bus was packed.
19:14:47 Every morning, and the four o'clock back out every evening. So,
19:14:54 thank you, Patty for that. Um,
19:14:59 let's see.
19:15:01 Christopher to ask Do we know peak hours of use currently and historically.
19:15:22 I've been to see what the peak periods are right now.
19:15:25 But historically, our peak ridership is actually earlier in the afternoon. Traditional commute is usually around three, three to four o'clock range
19:15:32 for exactly why that time food except I think you get you just get a lot of overlap of different types of trips you don't see people who are competing for work because students get people who are out shopping.
19:15:45 In the morning, they don't work.
19:15:47 Because I think a lot of stuff overlaps and of course that you can see that with traffic consistent traffic with people, because of traditional communities a little bit later.
19:15:57 Right.
19:15:59 Yeah. That seems early, I'm sorry.
19:16:04 Go ahead. I'm sorry Michaela. No please after you. I was gonna say Andrew I think it might be worth just kind of noting, my understanding of people who ride the bus, are not working, that traditional kind of what we think of nine to five jobs.
19:16:17 And so I think, you know, again, one of the things I know and I know that the RP is not even come close to cover this, I just know of so many people who do not own cars, but cannot use the bus because either where they're going to like you said, and it's
19:16:28 not people that working at. I'm talking about very, like, you know, minimum wage workers who are working cleaning hotels and doing very, you know, service, basically level jobs, and who don't end, and who are dependent on rides right and I, and as people
19:16:45 will learn them on the transit advisory board people are always saying like, oh the bus service doesn't even I can't ride the bus, right, because it's people who have right who are going to work.
19:16:55 Prior to, when the bus starts, and in sometimes even right after the bus service and, and I think it would be interesting to find out if part of that peak are people who are getting to work like going to her from work, because they're not working, that
19:17:10 nine to five hour that we kind of typically think of as a community.
19:17:15 Yeah, great question. I would love to know, then it seems plausible that we take people to work, who will come home some other way.
19:17:27 I'm not sure what that other way would be but it's very possible we take people to work the restaurant or hotel or something.
19:17:35 So we may take them in one direction, and they may have to find another way, because we're not operating.
19:17:42 So I think, I mean, actually, I think that's exactly the kind of question. I hope that that are about studies able to kind of delve into a little bit more.
19:17:52 As the point, you've asked to those are the Premiership it's the middle of the afternoon and when is our peak, pull out the buses. It's at five o'clock in the evening.
19:18:01 You know, maybe we should be looking at running some of those conversion rates.
19:18:08 But instead of extending some of our words to later at night.
19:18:12 Another trade off that I'm sure is on your mind is we don't operate for six days and you know again with a fixed budget, we have to cut service somewhere in order to be able to provide service on those holidays but that's a gap.
19:18:40 Holidays Sundays and Saturdays have a different service.
19:18:36 And by the way, you can I think it's worth noting that this neighborhood in particular, raises a really good point about how, if I understand correctly and maybe Stephanie or Lawrence or Andrew can comment on this, our transit funding, primarily comes
19:18:50 from city local funds. And we know the county, the state and the federal government, except for kind of unusual because of covered right where we're seeing significant operating funds from carrots back to America rescue plan.
19:19:03 How can we start convincing county, state and other and federal level that funding public transit is about like I think about like right now. We know that there's a real hardship to get service workers to jobs that they don't want to go back to because
19:19:19 they don't pay the what they should pay. So I'm thinking bus service is one of those crucial parts of getting people to work right. I'm just wondering how do we, and again, nobody needs to respond to this necessarily right now but how do we start to tap
19:19:31 into other funding streams because if I wonder if I understand correctly for operating. Right, if I'm not mistaken, 100% of the operating budget comes from, from local from local funds, not from county not from state, I mean a little bit and I think,
19:19:46 you know, Andrew and others can can tell us. It's such a small percentage and county.
19:19:50 But how do we get, because I think about this we county, state and federal put a lot of money into streets and highways right I always think about like how much are we going to try to spend on the sun port extension.
19:20:03 And, and when we know that I tend to that conserve incredibly for for transit in this neighborhood
19:20:13 is just to make the right cause for everybody else knows it.
19:20:20 As you said, except for now with these master plan and carry that the federal government does not like give us any money to upgrade service with very very limited exceptions for for a few years for new service.
19:20:35 So all of our operating expenses are paid for with local tax revenue.
19:20:43 And a little bit, who cares.
19:20:46 The county does pay, specifically for four different routes. Okay, entirely for two of them, and probably for two others.
19:21:00 And the state, you don't get any money from the state, don't really understand the money and upgrade process comes from
19:21:07 shape that I want to give.
19:21:12 Andrew, give you a chance to respond.
19:21:16 Janine is saying, perhaps, in the chat perhaps the traditional transit model doesn't work well in Albuquerque fortunately it's easier now than ever before to explore a different model writers can call for a ride technology can coordinate for efficiency,
19:21:31 think some marriage of paratransit vans and lift for many if not most writers Can you talk about that kind of new, new opportunity, how, how city transit with.
19:21:44 Think about that.
19:21:48 That's a possibility for some areas.
19:21:52 Those services to come to be expensive provider.
19:21:58 So it's.
19:22:01 And I'm not sure I would agree that Albuquerque doesn't work well for traditional transit.
19:22:09 Actually the LA area is one of the biggest transit ridership areas in the country.
19:22:15 Blended right behind your.
19:22:19 So, our grid on the east side of the river is actually very efficient for transit service. It does require us some time to connect. But, but it's pretty efficient and actually our ridership in terms of riders per hour of service that we provide is pretty
19:22:36 strong compared to other cities.
19:22:39 So, but coming back to your original point, there, there, definitely may be a role in some areas for, for some types of trips or non traditional ticket transit service, but it is just have to keep in mind that it just by nature because you're probably
19:22:56 Keep in mind that it just by nature because you're probably only going to be taking one or two people per vehicle.
19:23:01 Like, like our paratransit service it's pretty expensive provider
19:23:08 jumped in with a little on that too. Please. I'd also just like to add that from a sustainability perspective, and a safety perspective, more small vehicles on the road is really not not the solution.
19:23:26 And so I mean I think, I think that there is work to be done on the part of the city to make sure that transit goes where people are and where people need to go.
19:23:37 And I think there's also work to kind of make transit, you know more.
19:23:43 The cool thing to do, or whatever, you know get more people on to transit, and out of their cars but I would really like to caution. And there's a lot of conversations happening, you know, in the transportation planning field, about, you know, getting
19:24:00 everyone an automated vehicle that takes them where they want to go doesn't solve our problems with congestion or safety, or, or sustainability.
19:24:13 Really getting people to use transportation that is more space efficient, and, and and not kind of necessarily all your own your own vehicle your own
19:24:27 rideshare is really something to be considering, and we don't have we barely have a congestion problem here except really on the river crossings and then short periods of rush hour.
19:24:45 But as the city grows if it does grow.
19:24:50 Being paying attention to those more small vehicles and kind of put more personalized vehicles is something to be really careful about I think definitely looking into some, some smaller.
19:25:05 You know, circular neighborhood type buses is a great idea to help connect people that live further away from the main roads.
19:25:13 But I would just be careful about kind of wanting to move in the direction of personalized publicly funded list threads and things like that.
19:25:28 Thank you, Tara Good point. I'm just checking the.
19:25:36 I want to go back to something Christopher said about fares and give you a chance to say, which, who can ride for free right now.
19:25:52 So right now we have free fails for students who are 25 and under or for people who are 60 and over, don't have.
19:26:05 And then we have an ongoing program with CNN, that's free for the writer it's not read the university,
19:26:28 paper, their employees and students to ride without having to predict
19:26:25 what are the students have to do to ride for free.
19:26:30 shorts that their students.
19:26:32 Students for the answer is short the student ID
19:26:46 class,
19:26:42 and seniors, show an ID.
19:26:48 Or we just.
19:26:57 Yeah,
19:26:57 and veterans.
19:27:04 I'm sorry.
19:27:07 So Christopher I'm going to give you the last word. To let you say that your idea about having everybody right for free.
19:27:17 Yeah, we love theme that in the Climate Action Plan free transit would do a lot for not only transit equity and economic justice but also climate justice and so I think we have a great opportunity.
19:27:29 Los Angeles is doing this right now where they're measuring how this impacts the lowest income Los Angeles los Angelenos, I think that's what they call them right.
19:27:38 So I would love to think of what would be the opportunity.
19:27:42 Right. And Tara I'm thinking about Vision Zero right would would would better would free transit impact pedestrian fatality for example or how would that impact other kinds of health determinants that we can even look at within the first year of free,
19:27:55 free transit.
19:27:57 But we know that it would go a long way. And I think especially when we're in a place where we're receiving so much federal resources to pay for operating costs that this is a great chance to test it out and collect some really good data and stories,
19:28:16 some answers transit friends do you want to say anything about that otherwise I'm full stop. Do you want to say anything about that.
19:28:32 Reg last question but
19:28:38 this one is less about transit. So,
19:28:43 it's about pedestrian encouraging more pedestrian friendly neighborhoods. and so our, in our older neighborhoods sidewalks, have been a lot of them are the original sidewalks, and they're not in great shape and.
19:29:01 And there is. I know it's expensive to replace them and upgrade them and fix them. But there is, I, if I understand correctly, the city, generally, that's like a big lift, it's really hard to get them to, to, to, to upgrade or replace your your old sidewalks.
19:29:22 And so
19:29:26 I'm just pointing that out, right, I'm sure everyone knows that this is an issue, but that would be a good thing if you wanted to do encourage more pedestrian activity, sidewalks would help.
19:29:46 I mean, in a lot of places people just walk in the street.
19:29:41 Because of the sidewalks,
19:29:51 just just just to kind of respond to that. A Yes, 100% agree for neighborhoods all over the city and not just just historic neighborhoods, but kind of all the neighborhoods and I think that, um, you know if I could wave a magic wand and we had a big pot
19:30:07 of money we would do that and, but I think there have been some really great discussions throughout this assessment process about, you know, starting to maybe it's applying for more more federal funds.
19:30:21 Maybe it's, you know, getting city council to kind of commit to that and then I think doing some analysis on, you know how to prioritize that work, so that we are, you know, using whatever kind of funds and also kind of the capacity of doing that construction
19:30:39 it's not it's not quick and easy to do.
19:30:44 So, that we're proud that we prioritize that work in the areas that need it most first. And so I think that's going to be something that will probably come out of this, not just for this, this community planning area but I think from a city wide perspective
19:31:00 to think about, you know, that's something that would be really great for the city to find some buttons to do and then to kind of create a plan and a process for doing it.
19:31:12 I don't know if you do this already, but it could be that whenever you're turning up the sidewalk somewhere for something, or the street or something like that, or, or, you know, doing new sewer lines or something.
19:31:25 While you're there, making a mess. And, you know, because no one could use the street while you're doing that, while you're there, do the sidewalk as well.
19:31:35 That's like a, it's a piggybacking approach as opposed to a dedicated project I guess but I love everything we're working I'm looking for those opportunities.
19:31:51 Absolutely and.
19:31:52 Can you speak it also what what Perry.
19:31:55 Campbell does in terms of his little upgrades that are that are done in some neighborhoods, not yeah prehensile which Greg's asking for but it's it's something to mention.
19:32:08 Yeah, so there is some funding for doing ADA.
19:32:13 You know, fixing Ada sidewalks and, you know, I think a lot of us have seen that work happening to replace the, the curb ramps at corners. The problem is that we just do the corners and so you know things like expanding the whole expanding sidewalks and
19:32:30 can actually happened during that process.
19:32:33 But, you know, we do have, we have some information about where the biggest deficiencies are in the city.
19:32:41 And I'm looking at the ADA perspective but I think that's also a place that if we had some pots of money to do the sidewalks in between those career perhaps right that that would be a really great opportunity to kind of leverage already been out there
19:32:59 doing that work.
19:33:01 Perfect.
19:33:04 With that, I'm going to say, we're at time and I want to thank our.
19:33:10 Thank you, Tara for being here. Thank you, Andrew influence and Stephanie I really appreciate it. And thanks to all of our tireless tireless maybe tired community advocate, you're here and keep coming back and we really really really appreciate it.
19:33:27 So I hope this conversation was full and illuminating it certainly was for me and we'll be capturing all of what we've learned in these conversations and starting to write it all down and if you're on our mailing list which then we'll be in touch as we
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19:33:57 So, good night to everybody thank you thank you have good evening. Enjoy your family's.